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Hi,


Someone have this "Torque MMO Kit" is open source but I don't see it anywhere. There is a kind person who can share TMMO Kit? Thanks!


http://www.garagegames.com/community/blogs/view/13391/3#comment-199909

 

According to that thread, it's only free for TGE + AFX owners. I.e. it's not available if you don't own those 2 products.

 

It was set free to use with Torque 3D and the website had it set up so people could download it:

http://mmoworkshop.com/


They posted a post about it on that sides forum to inform people about this as Torque 3D went MIT... I did you all miss that? :mrgreen:


Sadly they have taken it down for now(but they write it should soon be up again soon). I have a copy of it. It is not plug and play. You need to read a lot and know some stuff about servers and databases(and Python :D ) before you can set anything up with it. And even then then expect doing some work. I am not spending much time on it in these days as I am making a single player game.


The forums at http://mmoworkshop.com/ also used to contain some info on it. Those are also currently not up.


Due to the license I am not sure whether I can send you a copy or not of the kit. It used to be that you could only use it if the mmo kit for TGEA/TGE or Torque 3D was downloaded from http://mmoworkshop.com/.


@Duion

Oh and yes it does works(just not plug and play or out of the box) as several online games have been made with this kit and Torque 3D ;)


Google might not always be your friend but here Google can be helpful.

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In 2013 they(prairiegames) came with this awesome news:

http://www.garagegames.com/community/forums/viewthread/135337/1#comment-851124

and here:

http://www.prairiegames.com/tools.html


That ended up with some small problems since that kit was built upon TGEA... Such an engine or license is not possible to get your hands at anymore :|


That is all I know for now.

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Ok then I totally missed this, but I never searched for it yet. Anyone has the license text? If it is BSD similar license it would be possible to redistribute it.

 

The license says that you can make a commercial mmo with it as long as you download it from their site. You may not use it for anything else. Oh and yes you also need a license for AFX.


Also I dare not copy paste the license as I am not sure I can do so... Ahh legal stuff :)


I think the site will be up again soon and then you can download it and have a look.

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Just go to their website and send them an email about the license.


It is for sure not like MIT license as such. In fact I will not call it open source as such. You still can only use it for making a mmo and you must download it from their site. Hence I do not dare upload one single bit :D

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So this is not a BSD style license then, free software licenses always give you the right of redistribution of the software.

No it is not. It is not Open source. It is just free to make MMO games with.


You are allowed to:


download it for free

use it for free to make a mmo

earn money on the mmo

All that is for free



It is hardly going to get better than that.

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It is not about free as in free of costs, for me it is about free as in freedom.

If it would be free software you would be allowed to redistribute it, so it would not be able to get lost for example like now.

Well that I cannot help you with :D


Perhaps it will go MIT one day :mrgreen:

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It is not about free as in free of costs, for me it is about free as in freedom.

If it would be free software you would be allowed to redistribute it, so it would not be able to get lost for example like now.

Well that I cannot help you with :D


Perhaps it will go MIT one day :mrgreen:

 

BSD is like MIT very liberal... what they told is a lie about the license.


Well thank you Dwarf about the info. In any case is very interesting that kit ;)


Duon is right what he says, is a pity is lost.


BTW @Dwarf King at least you can share the manual of the MMO Kit?

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It is not about free as in free of costs, for me it is about free as in freedom.

If it would be free software you would be allowed to redistribute it, so it would not be able to get lost for example like now.

Well that I cannot help you with :D


Perhaps it will go MIT one day :mrgreen:

 

BSD is like MIT very liberal... what they told is a lie about the license.


Well thank you Dwarf about the info. In any case is very interesting that kit ;)


Duon is right what he says, is a pity is lost.


BTW @Dwarf King at least you can share the manual of the MMO Kit?

 

Their is sadly no manual just an installation guide in steps(mostly about how to install Python stuff and Apache server), then their was a link in a readme.txt file to a site that was suppose to hold the documentation... Alas that site is no longer and has been long gone.


The best info left was the actual website(mmoworkshop forums and info) which is currently down while they migrate to another hosting provider.


Also please bear in mind that this kit is by no means a plug and play kit. It requires lots of work to set up and run successfully. And with the lack of any real documentation it will also take some time to research. It is really a pity to see such a fine tool without any documentation left. All that good work not being able to be used.


Nonetheless I shall upload nothing and respect that the license demands that it has to be downloaded from the actual website when it is up again :D


Alternatively, if you really mean it, you could buy a old "Advanced 3D Game Programming All In One" with a CD included and read about how to set up a small online server and then work from that starting point 8-)


Personally I shall stay away from online games development for now(but not for that long perhaps...).

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Nonetheless I shall upload nothing and respect that the license demands that it has to be downloaded from the actual website when it is up again :D

 

aaah not problem, I found it. I suppose is not offline after all. :mrgreen:

 

Alternatively, if you really mean it, you could buy a old "Advanced 3D Game Programming All In One" with a CD included and read about how to set up a small online server and then work from that starting point 8-)

 

Don't worry I know how to do servers of any kind whit python or whatever... this does not takes me time... :lol:


Thanks!

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Nonetheless I shall upload nothing and respect that the license demands that it has to be downloaded from the actual website when it is up again :D

 

aaah not problem, I found it. I suppose is not offline after all. :mrgreen:

 

Alternatively, if you really mean it, you could buy a old "Advanced 3D Game Programming All In One" with a CD included and read about how to set up a small online server and then work from that starting point 8-)

 

Don't worry I know how to do servers of any kind whit python or whatever... this does not takes me time... :lol:


Thanks!

I am not sure I understand this? The main site is still offline. Anyway you cannot legally use the kit for anything unless you have received the download from Prairie Games themselves or the MM Workshop site as it is now. Unless they have changed the license within the last year(I mean that would be awesome like in super awesome :D )... Just keep that in mind so you will not end up with trouble ;)


Where did you find it?

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  • 8 months later...

I had downloaded the MMO kit a while ago not long before they took their site offline for "transferring the forums" etc. I hadn't touched it in a while until we started working on our MMO project when I went to see if I could check out the documentation. In addition to seeing the site offline, @Dwarf King there's a blogspot poster who has the files up on their .. well .. I guess you'd call it a blog, lol.


Sadly, we cannot see if they updated their license on the now offline site, but I really think those of us who have a legitimate copy looking at the included license should talk about what it entails, as it was released under an open source BSD license at the very end for those who have a legitimate copy of Torque Game Engine and ArcaneFX, as you can see here: https://www.garagegames.com/community/blogs/view/13391. Of course, BSD is not as nice as MIT :(


I have an email in to them myself inquiring, I'll let you guys know if I hear anything. :mrgreen:


James Schultz

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I had downloaded the MMO kit a while ago not long before they took their site offline for "transferring the forums" etc. I hadn't touched it in a while until we started working on our MMO project when I went to see if I could check out the documentation. In addition to seeing the site offline, @Dwarf King there's a blogspot poster who has the files up on their .. well .. I guess you'd call it a blog, lol.


Sadly, we cannot see if they updated their license on the now offline site, but I really think those of us who have a legitimate copy looking at the included license should talk about what it entails, as it was released under an open source BSD license at the very end for those who have a legitimate copy of Torque Game Engine and ArcaneFX, as you can see here: https://www.garagegames.com/community/blogs/view/13391. Of course, BSD is not as nice as MIT :(


I have an email in to them myself inquiring, I'll let you guys know if I hear anything. :mrgreen:


James Schultz

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I downloaded a T3D copy for Torque 3D from their mmoworkshop website back then. It pretty much says that you can use it for making a mmo if you have a legal copy of the AFX... (that is MT now) as long as you have downloaded the tools from their website and put them under credit with the license.


I also mailed them about their site being down but never got any answer :?

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I downloaded a T3D copy for Torque 3D from their mmoworkshop website back then. It pretty much says that you can use it for making a mmo if you have a legal copy of the AFX... (that is MT now) as long as you have downloaded the tools from their website and put them under credit with the license.


I also mailed them about their site being down but never got any answer :?

 

Yeah I'm not expecting an email back myself but it seems odd that they'd have their MoM live and active and not answer emails to that email that they have live on their site. But oh well, lol.

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